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allience · Dec 07, 2006, 07:23 PM // 19:23

i'm not sure yet. i'm not happy whith the way thing are going in gw. pve got frustrating and i'm not happy that most of the times i cant find ppl to play with because they're all spread over 3 chapters. i can't even solo my favorite areas anymore because of all the nerfs and well frankly i'm quite fed up with heroes. it's just not the same fun as humans. i expect chapter 4 to separate players even more. pvp got stupid with all the heroes. it feels quite retarded to face so many hero teams and in HA there's not many ppl playing anymore. then others things like lag, error 7s, armor glitches that annoy me.

i suppose i might get chapter 4 if no other pvp/rpg game comes up but that would probably be the last i would purchase.

Loviatar · Dec 07, 2006, 07:32 PM // 19:32

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Originally Posted by beanerman_99

And what about an AUCTION HOUSE for goodness sake. Don't I remember players waiting it BEFORE Factiions and Anet said they were "working" on it? Instead of an auction House we got a Chat Filter instead. GG.

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not at all.

players (mostly high end and bot runners) have been wanting a quick way (auction house) to auto sell their goods while doing extra farming.

ANET/GAILE/ALEX/NCSoft have NEVER promised an auction house only......

*TRADE IMPROVEMENTS*

they have said it is a requested feature but never have they promised an auction house or even stated they are working on one.

only trade improvements

gabrial heart · Dec 07, 2006, 07:34 PM // 19:34

OK, just to be informative... Not only are the amount of players increasing, the graphics engine is also more demanding. Thats progress and for an mmo to continue to offer a challenging, evovling enviroment, i think anet has done a pretty bang up job. A LOT of changes made to the game were in response to player requests and now the player base isn't happy? More lag and low frame rate, etc. is a pretty typical effect of this "progress".

To the OP... most ppl on here talk like this, " OMG, uber 1337 armor pwns", so i'm not sure how you expect that many folks to relate to your extensive use of vocabulary, it's not a wonder why you're not very excited about the game or it's current enviroment.

As far as buying the next chapter, I'm on the fence right now. GW is starting to get old for me and it's not really anet fault or the player base. I guess that the rewards earning system just isn't progressing the way the enviroment is. Not sure that i'm even interested in spending 3-4 hours in the elite area only to get a gem or 2 that really doesn't give me any advantage in game anymore. To much balance becomes a boring grind, to easy and you lose interest fast, to hard and it's just annoying and frustrating, so yes, it's getting even more challenging for them to provide something that will keep player interested.

Unfortuantly the level cap commitment doesn't make players want to continue, the title system is a good idea but again really doesn't offer much to a player. I think that anet might need to re-work some things or add some features that make players want the end game content, max armor and weapons, once acquired, just isn't enough.

Feminist Terrorist · Dec 07, 2006, 07:38 PM // 19:38

Wow. Excellent rant TideSwayer. That's nearly worthy of a standing ovation.

I'm totally on the fence about continued purchases. On the one hand, GW has been a great game, but on the other, it might be time to move on and do something else for a while. Anet has been really good about addressing problems and implementing fixes, but certain areas have really been neglected, and I'm still, after nearly 3 months, waiting for my ele to have her milk moustache fixed, and it's not just me: I know there are many other people with messed up characters that are still waiting on their fix.

I'll have to wait until just before the release of chapter 4 before I can decide anything.

Nanood · Dec 07, 2006, 07:42 PM // 19:42

I agree with some of the op's comments but i will still be buying it because i love the game. I guess its a bit like an abusive relationship.. They keep beatin us down and then throw us a carrot (Go Green Weekends) and we keep comin back for more..

Well, i am that abused partner... Now hit me Anet... Hit me again... I like it

lakeland · Dec 07, 2006, 07:48 PM // 19:48

Only if they make another Prophesies-style game.

gabrial heart · Dec 07, 2006, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by lakeland

Only if they make another Prophesies-style game.

Nah, I honestly think if they continued to make the following chapters just like the first this would be a dead game. People hold onto the "era" they enjoyed most, but you could totally go back and just play prophicies, most people don't based on the lack of players in outposts.

When GW first came out it was new and exciting, now that most of the player base (long standing players) have a strong feel of the game and how the skills work together, what to expect, etc. The game has gotten old, stale, less then exciting for many. When you add a rather large amount of glitches, network problems, failed features, misinformation and general complaining, the game gets even less fun. I think if anet isn't planning on "re-inventing" the game in chapter 4, they may see a very steep decline in player base.

Loviatar · Dec 07, 2006, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Nanood

I agree with some of the op's comments but i will still be buying it because i love the game. I guess its a bit like an abusive relationship.. They keep beatin us down and then throw us a carrot (Go Green Weekends) and we keep comin back for more..

Well, i am that abused partner... Now hit me Anet... Hit me again... I like it

please forgive me but this is too good to let pass.......

there was a sadistic man who had a masochist wife
he beat her every day and they had a happy life

Crom The Pale · Dec 07, 2006, 07:57 PM // 19:57

Absolutely YES I will buy the next chapter.

The content of Nightfall was a HUGE improvement over Factions.

I love Hero's and the missions/quests are improving. They have a lot of room for more improvements and I expect to see them in future releases.

Like any game there are parts I don't like, but I've learned over time that nothing is ever perfect and if you can't learn to live with what your given theres a good chance you'll never find any happiness!

Amity and Truth · Dec 07, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by Xenrath

Unless something major happens to encourage teamplay again (in PvE, I don't care for PvP) then quite probably not. I can find plenty of other single player games and probably some better ones in future. Guild Wars co-op/multiplayer is looking more and more a thing of the past. I don't buy a multiplayer game just to play with bots.

QFT.
Besides other aspects which i don't like this one is the most important one and probably THE reason why Nightfall will be my last chapter even though it was a good one.
I log in, try to find a simple PUG for some random mission. No chance. Full henchie teams everywhere. Well more power to them but i don't think this is fun at all and thus for me personally, have to make a decision.

rick1027 · Dec 07, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58

ill say now ill be buying i do still love the game but you all do make some great points. as for the grind i do it because i want certain items. as for my love of the game isnt as strong as it once was that may change the response for the chapter after but im not sure yet. as for anet and there updates sometimes the updates do more damage then there was to start with but at least they are trying and sometimes they dont seems to listen correctly as for the auction house and added storage which has been on tons of want lists for a long time. ill buy til i cant stand the game anymore then ill probably try it few more times to see if it has changed we all like getting that beating and keep coming back

TiNkLeR · Dec 07, 2006, 08:03 PM // 20:03

Only if it is a fantasy style again (like prophecies).

MANY IMPROVEMENTS!
Trade @ party @ in game stuff to do that its WORTH and its FUN.

If not.. i will stay in prophecies or factions or nightfall.. Or i will quit.

Ozric · Dec 07, 2006, 08:04 PM // 20:04

There's no game out there that's not lacking in one dept. or another, and GuildWars is no different. You can rant all you want about it, if it please you, but it will never be 100% of what you want it to be. Same goes for me, but I'm still in for chapter 4.

I really don't care about the changes to enemy AI, and it doesn't upset me that it may be difficult for some to solo 20 touch necros. If you were to ask me, I'd say that the solution to the 'issue' of the inability of the heroes to undertake more complex builds would be to simply get rid of all the heroes anyway, as I find being in a district of 30-40 people in many of the areas and no one spamming for a pug a greater issue, but I'm obviously in the minority in that view I know. Being forced to hero/hench the game because of this has not been fun to me by any means, but at least there are those areas, thankfully, where people do pug, and I'm very happy that one of these areas is the esteemed DoA, which is an incredible challenge to me, and the best bare-knuckle brawl content given to us by far.

So, even though I still have to do things I don't like to do, the endgame content is still worth it, and all the areas that I really like to play are still played by pugs, which is the way I like it. I'd still like to see more storage, and I'd still like to see an auctionhouse. But hey, the game has no monthly fee, whaddaya want?

The juice is worth the squeeze, I'm in for chapter 4.

~~An eProd Zhed,... sorry but I had to chuckle at that one.

countesscorpula · Dec 07, 2006, 08:04 PM // 20:04

Things I like about GWs that came with the introduction of Nightfall.

Leveling pace... It was kond of slow in Prophecies (but with nothing to compare, that was cool, it was just the way of things). It was waaaaaaaay too fast in Factions (all quests rewards we in the thousands, and you can't leave the monestary without being level 2). Nightfall seems to have found a nice balance that give you an appreciation for abilies at the various levels, and time to get to know your skills in Istan.

The Scenery Art: Prophecies was pretty. No doubt. There are places in Echovold where I want to be burried after i die. The waterfalls dropping into fjord like valleys. It is beautiful. NF--> I can't get over how real that rock looks on the sign in screen. The water falling is obviously digital, but darn good, the myst is digital, but that rock with a glistening layer of water. Whoever put that piece of code together deserves a pat on the back. My mom wants to play this game because she likes the graphics so much (though the movement controls still baffle her).

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The Story: It's a pretty good story. Prophecies had me bouncing allegiences about. I wasn't so much a noble warrior but an opportunist. (Am i white mantle, am i shining blade, are the mursaat trying to prevent the release of the titans... does that mean they are on my side? OMG what have i done?)
Factions spent much of the story revealing the past without explaining it. Who is this fortune teller? Why does she look exactly like the necro teacher at the monestary? Shiro seemed like a noble and pleasent guy until she told him the emporor was going to kill him (a la MacBeth)... so why is he all evil? Kind of like sympathy for the devil i guess. Anyhoo, lots of cut scenes that didn't involve me, so not so much with the caring.
NF-> This story includes me a lot. I have to make decissions about where things are going to go (i hate making those decissions and "missing out" on the other stuff, but it's still cool). My character is more engaged in the cutscenes, and so forth. That's all good (i LOVE taking screen shots of my character in the cut scenes).

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Heroes: Talk about a massive improvement on the hench idea. And with all their skills being account based, they are far more versatile than my own character (a bit jealous). I play solo(no other players) _A LOT_, for my reasons that i don't need to go into. And having Heroes that i can design to suit my desires is great. I also like being able to auto run across large distances by setting a flag on the U map and following my heroes there. Gives me a bit of a break, and makes some of the back and forth quests less of a grind.

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I totally forgot! I loved the "party" mission. The one where i had to puzzle out what each prince needed. That was a great change of pace. I mission that _must_ be completed solo (not even hench). THe mime battle... a great change of pace. New types of missions are very cool. If they were all "kill the thing" it would get pretty boring pretty fast. Whoever came up with this idea for a mission deserves a gold star!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Warrior heroes being compelled to wine and dine the aristocracy... ROFL!!!

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Things I don't like about Nightfall:

AI
The first doesnt' appear solely in nightfall, but accross the whole of GWs. It is the much loved/hated AI alterations. Mobs are smarter... They run away when injured/overwhelmed, and rarely if ever get within adjacent distance of eachother. Hench/Heroes don't seem to have received the latter portion of that upgrade. This has led to endless frustration on my part, due to my adjacent spells being grossly ineffective against mobs, and theirs being excessively effective against me. This could easily be fixed by a slide control to modify how close the hench will travel with you, but as only 8 or 9 people have bothered to look at that suggestin in Sardelac, my guess it will never be implemented. So all of my lovely AoE spike spells are now expensive single target spells, and my AoE extended duration spells are also not much in the way of effective(if something will only stay in the area for 2 seconds, having a spell last for 10 isn't so brilliant). There are other complaints about the AI, but just search AI and you can see those.

Razah = Ritualist.
The manual said Variable. I don't mind that he came late, doesn't bother me a wit. That he is something entirely different than what was advertised, and more so, that he is essentially stunted if one doesn't own the previous chapter (not so great for something advertised as being a completely functional stand alone game), causes me to lose faith in the trustworthiness of those who design/promote/maintain this game i have come to love so much. A-Net is the GM/DM. If you can't trust your game master, you wont play in their game, or you will question EVERYTHING that they do. I only started posting on the forum in November, but I've been playing for well over a year. I've come to realise that much of the reason i had been frequenting this forum of late is due to my dissatisfaction with the current state of things.

Changes made in the name of increasing Challange:
The Challange of the game has always been just perfect. There are always points in each chapter where you see a mob of people having difficutly getting past Mission X or Quest Y. They eventually get it (through repeated effort or assistance from others), and move on.
Anyone who finds the game to be too easy, and requests that the dev team beef it up, is being highly inconsiderate of the average/casual player (who invested the same amount of money in the game). In fact, i would go as far as to say they are being down right selfish. If someone needs more of a challange, go with smaller parties and fewer skills. Heck, see if you can finish the entire game with only a party of four and no elite skills. That ought to be plenty of challange for you... not to mention the bragging rights. But if everything was raised up to the level of the best of the best, 98% of the populace would no longer be able to play, abandon the series, and with no more investment in the series, no more game = game is dead = no challange for anyone. You can make the game harder for yourself without making it impossible for everyone else. A little consideration for others please.

The Big Conclussion:

Will I buy chapter four? I haven't decided. I really like the series, and it seems that many aspects of it improved with this latest edition. Most faults experienced in Factions were addressed in Nightfall - third time is a charm they say. But on the otherhand, though it was a bit tedious to grind for 10k faction with one character after the next (until i caught on to running them all to that point with the 10k), but it comes nowhere near the maddening frustration of having my party wiped out because they don't have the common sense to fan out that the mobs seem to have. ANd trust. I have to be able to trust what a-net says about the upcomming chapter when/if it arrives. Problem is, it's a lot harder to earn back lost trust, than to maintain trust given in the first place. When I feel that i can trust A-Net not to say one thing about a feature, and then unapologetically contradict that statement in their actions, that's when I will consider investing in a fourth chapter. I'm not going to say i won't buy it, cause things can change. But I wont promise myself as a customer untiil i see somethings repaired (or at least acknowledgement that repairs are needed).

PS I've yet to play Jade Quarry mission. Not cause it's too hard, but because there is no one there. Is it a good mission? Was it fun? If A-net could come up with a way for me to try it out (focus on jade weekend?) it might improve my outlook on the company as a whole. As it stands, it's just an empty outpost... I'm sure that wasn't intended.

gabrial heart · Dec 07, 2006, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by Amity and Truth

QFT.
Besides other aspects which i don't like this one is the most important one and probably THE reason why Nightfall will be my last chapter even though it was a good one.
I log in, try to find a simple PUG for some random mission. No chance. Full henchie teams everywhere. Well more power to them but i don't think this is fun at all and thus for me personally, have to make a decision.

I agree with this as well. If it wasn't for my guild, i wouldn't be online very often or I'd be playing ff12 or the new zelda or.... HA right now is a joke, hero-way ftl... PVP + heros is an all out bad idea IMO. PVE + heros isn't as horrible, but i'm pretty sure most people play an online rpg for the player interaction, even if it's a negative one.

brokenmonkey · Dec 07, 2006, 08:10 PM // 20:10

Hmm, Yes, I WILL BE buying the next 2321232323123 chapters =D.

VGJustice · Dec 07, 2006, 08:10 PM // 20:10

I may buy it. Depends on how much money I've got when that time comes around, and if I'm still playing.

The real question is if I'm going to get the bonus pack again.

rick1027 · Dec 07, 2006, 08:16 PM // 20:16

ill say now ill be buying i do still love the game but you all do make some great points. as for the grind i do it because i want certain items. as for my love of the game isnt as strong as it once was that may change the response for the chapter after but im not sure yet. as for anet and there updates sometimes the updates do more damage then there was to start with but at least they are trying and sometimes they dont seems to listen correctly as for the auction house and added storage which has been on tons of want lists for a long time. ill buy til i cant stand the game anymore then ill probably try it few more times to see if it has changed we all like getting that beating and keep coming back

birdfoot · Dec 07, 2006, 08:18 PM // 20:18

It's unlikely for me to buy future chapters of GW, but that depends on whether ANet can expand on the gameplay variety or if the new emerging titles can capture my attention.

It's really wierd that when someone makes a remark even bringing out the slightest negativity about GW, the other fanboys start countering by calling it a complaint/rant. I suppose OP sincerely wanted a show of hands on who will buy the next chapter, and some valid points on why one would continue supporting GW's future releases (or why one wouldn't); nothing more than that. I see some really good posts here, but maybe just like all games have flaws, all forums have some irrelevant posters.

lyra_song · Dec 07, 2006, 08:21 PM // 20:21

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Originally Posted by birdfoot

It's unlikely for me to buy future chapters of GW, but that depends on whether ANet can expand on the gameplay variety or if the new emerging titles can capture my attention.

It's really wierd that when someone makes a remark even bringing out the slightest negativity about GW, the other fanboys start countering by calling it a complaint/rant. I suppose OP sincerely wanted a show of hands on who will buy the next chapter, and some valid points on why one would continue supporting GW's future releases; nothing more than that.

I dont think negative opinion is a bad thing since those are valid.

However i severely dislike people who act like they've been victimized, when in reality its merely a difference between their own unrealistic expectations and the reality that Anet produces.